The “Format” of Talk Shows
In this blogpost we would like to
analyze the format of talk shows. The talk show format is a television genre
where usually one person talks about a number of topics mediated by a host. The
talk show can be set apart from actuality programming, interviews, and reality
TV. We will question the format of talk shows by zooming in on the differences
and similarities between daytime and late-night talk shows, including elements
like sets, target audiences, gender. We will conclude that the structural and
narrative format of daytime and late-night talk shows stays consistent over the
years and is transferred in the same TV format on a global scale, although
arguments can be made to state that the talk show does not have a format at
all.
We would like to use three
articles that deal with the TV format industry. By studying four
‘super-formats’, Jean K. Chalaby concludes that formats can be seen as bridges
that make connections between cultures and borders (296). We would like to use
Chalaby’s definition to analyze the position of talk shows in the TV format
industry. We will briefly touch upon Katherine Meizel’s theories about adding
concepts such as ‘national identity’, ‘awareness’, and ‘potential power’ to the
debate on globalized TV formats. Tasha Oren uses US food television to analyze
“the extent to which contemporary television relies on the structural (and
narrative) logic of the format” (20) and notices a development in setting,
gender, and ideology. Her thoughts on this evolution inspired us to write about
the talk show format and examine American talk shows as a case study to look at
the reinforcement of traditional gender roles in these talk shows.
Despite being a very familiar
concept that is seen all over the world, talk shows are much harder to define
as a format than other TV programs. First of all, talk shows revolve around the
discussion of semi-random topics that vary according to the interests of its
host and audience. That implies that content and narrative are entirely
dependent on the interests of local audiences. Therefore, a talk show can never
have the same “distinctive narrative dimension” in order to be “licensed
outside its country of origin in order to be adapted to local audiences
(Chalaby 295-6).
Another key difference is
transnational adaptability. Formats that are typically sold in different
countries often retain a similar name while changing hosts and participants.
Many talk shows simply cannot be sold abroad due to the central position of its
host in the title: shows named after their hosts like the Ellen Degeneres Show, the
Jimmy Kimmel Show or the Wendy
Williams Show cannot become formats since they cannot be wholly “adapted outside its country of
origin”(Chalaby 295). Although there are a few exceptions to this, it is hard
to speak of talk shows as unanimously having the potential for being
“inherently transnational” (Chalaby 295). If talk shows did belong to one
specific format - since they do often share many similarities such as the
setting or the main concept of inviting guests - it should be debated why talk shows are not
all suing each other over rights - or better yet: why they cannot sue each other over them.
Thirdly, talk shows do not have
the same internationally diversifying effects as other tv formats. According to
William Robinson,economic globalization can be seen as the main cause for the
rise of transnational television. This brings forth a more internationally
diversified audience and the development of a “polyarchy” over an oligarchy (Meizel 214).
Where most of these adaptable formats can work to enrich transnational capital,
talk shows can be seen as doing the exact opposite: they stimulate the rise of
national capital and national identity over transnationality (Meizel 218).
A last interesting point to note
is that Chalaby gives the basic requirements needed for a TV show to be a
format. Aside from the fact that the talk show genre by definition often
conflicts with her arguments as shown above, it is also remarkable to note that
throughout Chalaby’s entire text, the talk show is never once mentioned.
Talk shows - 1950's |
Even so, there are certain
arguments that give reason to believe that the talk show is in fact a format.
Talk shows have been broadcast on television since the emergence of the medium in the fifties. There
are two major genre formats, namely daytime and late-night talk shows. Talk
shows were originally designed for women and the extreme popularity of talk
shows in the 1990s was a reaction against the rather masculine films from the
1970s. Talk shows use a format that gives minorities a voice and does away with
the Grand Narrative.
Some of the most famous daytime
talk shows on contemporary television are The
Ellen Degeneres Show, The View, The Queen Latifah Show, Rachel Ray, The Talk, Katie, Bethenny, and The Wendy Williams Show. Some of the most famous late-night talk
shows that are currently broadcast on television are The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon, Late Night with Seth Meyers, The
Late Show with Stephen Colbert, The
Late Late Show with James Corden, Jimmy
Kimmel Live!, Conan, and The Daily Show with Trevor Noah. There
are two things that strike us here: daytime talk show hosts tend to be female
and many of them are African-American, whereas late-night talk show hosts tend
to be middle-aged white males. There have been some exceptions lately, such as Lopez Tonight and Chelsea Lately, but even they conform to the standard format that
is discussed below.
The sets of daytime
and late-night talk shows are very different from each other and seem to stem
from the 1950s’ gender stereotypes. Daytime sets have a domestic sphere: both
host and guest are sitting on the same level and the decor is arranged like a
living room with a coffee table in front of arm-chairs and plants in the
background. Late-night sets have a public/business sphere: the host is usually
situated slightly higher than the level at which the guest is sitting and the
decor is furnished like an office where the host sits behind a desk with a city
view in the background (the city was a place for men, women stayed home in the
suburbs). The differences in setting between daytime and late-night talk shows
reinforce the gender gap discussed in the previous paragraph. These sets come
from the 1950s, a time when in the United States there were very clearly
distinctive gender roles and ideals. The wife would stay at home in the suburbs
and do her housework and chores during the day. In the afternoon she would have
time to watch a daytime talk show with a domestic sphere and female host. The
husband, on the other hand, would go to work in the city center during the day,
and when he came home at night, he would watch a late-night talk show with a
public sphere and a set that resembled an office.
Even though the
1950s’ gender roles do not exist anymore as such in most parts of the Western
world, the talk show format seems to stay the same. Furthermore, the Web 2.0
makes us realize that the structural and narrative formats of talk shows are
the same in all parts of the world. Whether we watch a talk show in the US, the
Netherlands, Spain, or China, the format seems to be consistent. Whereas there
is a clear development in the format of cooking shows over time (Oren 20-33),
the talk show format seems to stay the same.
In conclusion, the talk show is a
globally used yet problematic “format”. The topic has much potential for debate
or research. On the one hand, talk shows cannot be subjected to the standard
criteria proposed by Chalaby to define most other TV shows as formats. On the
other hand, talk shows seem to have a consistent format with a clear
distinction between daytime and late-night sets and hosts, which in turn is
transferred on a global scale.
Proposition: To what extent can
we talk about the talk show “format” considering the current definitions in the
field as well as the consistencies in structure and narrative?
Works Cited:
Jean K.
Chalaby (2011), ‘The making of an entertainment revolution: How the TV format
trade became a global industry’, in: European
Journal of Communication 26 (4), 2011, pp. 293-308.
Katherine Meizel (2010), ‘The
United Nations of Pop: Global Franchise and Geopolitics’, in: Idolized: Music, Media, and Identity in
American Idol. Bloomington: Indiana University Press, pp. 192-219.
Tasha Oren
(2013), 'On the Line: Format, Cooking and Competition as Television Values’,
in: Critical Studies in Television 8
(2), pp. 20-35.
Initials: RO, GK, AL